I'm Starting To Get It. Law School Might Be The Worst Decision Ever. The School I Might Attend Is A
dwismos (Jul 23 - 2:32 am)
pretty good school (ranked 40-ish), but that doesn't matter ITE. Unless one is a T10 grad (apparently even that is not a guarantee) or top 10% at most other schools, he or she is likely screwed. My school would run me about 125K including COL, but without being able to make 85k+ annually, I'll probably never live comfortably.
If I choose not to attend, I can pursue many other endeavors. Failure likely won't lead to mass debt though in most other cases, so that is OK. I can even float through life like a lump of crap never having attempted to achieve anything again, and I'd still possibly be better off than if I attend.
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pretty good school (ranked 40-ish), but that doesn't matter ITE. Unless one is a T10 grad (apparently even that is not a guarantee) or top 10% at most other schools, he or she is likely screwed. My school would run me about 125K including COL, but without being able to make 85k+ annually, I'll probably never live comfortably.
If I choose not to attend, I can pursue many other endeavors. Failure likely won't lead to mass debt though in most other cases, so that is OK. I can even float through life like a lump of crap never having attempted to achieve anything again, and I'd still possibly be better off than if I attend.
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johndoeee (Jul 23 - 2:52 am)
You're almost there.
Friend, attending a mid-tier (T25 or better) school at full price was (early) 1980's thinking and the bare minimum to succeed in the profession.
It's nearly 30 years (3 decades) later.
This "profession" has been in serious decline, and now free-fall, since.
If you do this, you have, at best, a 5% chance of success (large salary) else probably a 60% chance at a $30-45K/yr. job and a 35% chance to never even practice in the field, no matter what you try to do.
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"I can even float through life like a lump of crap never having attempted to achieve anything again, and I'd still [*very likely*] be better off than if I attend."
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You're almost there.
Friend, attending a mid-tier (T25 or better) school at full price was (early) 1980's thinking and the bare minimum to succeed in the profession.
It's nearly 30 years (3 decades) later.
This "profession" has been in serious decline, and now free-fall, since.
If you do this, you have, at best, a 5% chance of success (large salary) else probably a 60% chance at a $30-45K/yr. job and a 35% chance to never even practice in the field, no matter what you try to do.
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"I can even float through life like a lump of crap never having attempted to achieve anything again, and I'd still [*very likely*] be better off than if I attend."
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dwismos (Jul 23 - 3:04 am)
For most people, deciding not to attend is like writing oneself a check for 100k+-. I get it.
I wasn't aware that anything below the top 25 didn't exactly set one up for a chance at success. It's somewhat difficult to get into even the 26-50 ranked schools (plenty of people don't), but I understand what you're saying. After the likes of GW, Boston U, Minnesota, etc, the schools really are far less difficult to get into.
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For most people, deciding not to attend is like writing oneself a check for 100k+-. I get it.
I wasn't aware that anything below the top 25 didn't exactly set one up for a chance at success. It's somewhat difficult to get into even the 26-50 ranked schools (plenty of people don't), but I understand what you're saying. After the likes of GW, Boston U, Minnesota, etc, the schools really are far less difficult to get into.
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snookerbtch (Jul 23 - 8:21 am)
outside the t14, the schools relative reputation in your desired region of practice is far more important than whether its ranked 22 or 48 or even 62.
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outside the t14, the schools relative reputation in your desired region of practice is far more important than whether its ranked 22 or 48 or even 62.
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steaksandwich (Jul 24 - 3:06 am)
Long time lurker, first post. I have a similar post, was going to make my own thread but might as well combine it. Almost 0L but you all, blogs, and even some voices of reason in TLS saved me. Was going to go to around a T50 with a substantial (but 1/3 stipulation) scholarship. Figured I could graduate debt free and even if I couldn't find work as a lawyer, use the JD for other purposes. Found out that's not true. Even if I did keep the scholarship and graduate debt free, I would have spent 3 years stressed out for an almost useless T2 degree. I'm not sure what I'll do next, but I figure it's better to spend 3 years sitting on the couch watching TV than fighting thru a low ranked law school.
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Long time lurker, first post. I have a similar post, was going to make my own thread but might as well combine it. Almost 0L but you all, blogs, and even some voices of reason in TLS saved me. Was going to go to around a T50 with a substantial (but 1/3 stipulation) scholarship. Figured I could graduate debt free and even if I couldn't find work as a lawyer, use the JD for other purposes. Found out that's not true. Even if I did keep the scholarship and graduate debt free, I would have spent 3 years stressed out for an almost useless T2 degree. I'm not sure what I'll do next, but I figure it's better to spend 3 years sitting on the couch watching TV than fighting thru a low ranked law school.
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dwismos (Jul 24 - 3:12 am)
I'm probably going to look into some sales jobs. Unfortunately, I think the guys on this site are right. There are too many law schools. I was offered schollies to some schools in the low 50-ish range that would have been rather affordable, but not inexpensive enough to make it worth it in the long run. I do have an interest in practicing, but like you said, if I decide to go in another direction, I'll have a tough time making use of the degree. It will be a wasted degree.
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I'm probably going to look into some sales jobs. Unfortunately, I think the guys on this site are right. There are too many law schools. I was offered schollies to some schools in the low 50-ish range that would have been rather affordable, but not inexpensive enough to make it worth it in the long run. I do have an interest in practicing, but like you said, if I decide to go in another direction, I'll have a tough time making use of the degree. It will be a wasted degree.
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lefthandscribble (Jul 23 - 3:31 am)
dwismos, your clarity of mind and objectivity gives me hope that people won't continue to make the same mistake that I made. Whatever you chose to do in life, you've already made the right decision by not borrowing a hundred thousand dollars to blow on a lotto ticket. it's refreshing to hear that someone gets it.
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dwismos, your clarity of mind and objectivity gives me hope that people won't continue to make the same mistake that I made. Whatever you chose to do in life, you've already made the right decision by not borrowing a hundred thousand dollars to blow on a lotto ticket. it's refreshing to hear that someone gets it.
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AJRESQ (Jul 23 - 11:34 am)
You people put way too much stock into where you go to school.
Outside the T-10, it's all regional. Meaning your job and practice areas are going to be largely dictated by where you're at and how the economy is.
Also, your life isn't over if you don't get into biglaw. There are PLENTY of ways to make money outside of biglaw in regular old law. Granted, you probably won't make a million dollars in a year, but you can make enough money to set some aside and put them into investments.
Yeah, if you don't make biglaw, you're right, you're not gonna make a lot of money right out of the gate. You don't have any clients or actual lawyer skills. Those things take awhile to develop.
Look at the bright side -- a lot of the guys who get biglaw aren't going to be there in 5 years. Can you imagine making $160k a year to being unemployed with no book and very few transferable skills? Yikes...
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You people put way too much stock into where you go to school.
Outside the T-10, it's all regional. Meaning your job and practice areas are going to be largely dictated by where you're at and how the economy is.
Also, your life isn't over if you don't get into biglaw. There are PLENTY of ways to make money outside of biglaw in regular old law. Granted, you probably won't make a million dollars in a year, but you can make enough money to set some aside and put them into investments.
Yeah, if you don't make biglaw, you're right, you're not gonna make a lot of money right out of the gate. You don't have any clients or actual lawyer skills. Those things take awhile to develop.
Look at the bright side -- a lot of the guys who get biglaw aren't going to be there in 5 years. Can you imagine making $160k a year to being unemployed with no book and very few transferable skills? Yikes...
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sololit (Jul 23 - 11:48 am)
That is a point seldom made here, but dead-on accurate: if you "make it" into biglaw or midlaw (or the regional equivalent of biglaw), and you make it into non-equity partnership say seven or eight years down the road, you find yourself in a special kind of hell. With no real portable business, you are absolutely trapped in the firm you are in. And equity partners are particularly sadistic with the junior partners under them. No firm will even look at you without a big book (hundred's of thousands of portable business), and you absolutely cannot go on your own if you have grown into the lifestyle your income affords you. The most miserable lawyers I know, bar none, are the 40 year olds who did everything right, made every cut, and find themselves absolutely terrified every day because as non-equity partners they are both vulnerable to the whimsy of their superiors and unable to fashion any escape.
Don't buy the hype - the entire traditional law firm system pays out way at the end, when you are old and beat-up, and only then if you are lucky enough and sacrifice enough to get there.
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That is a point seldom made here, but dead-on accurate: if you "make it" into biglaw or midlaw (or the regional equivalent of biglaw), and you make it into non-equity partnership say seven or eight years down the road, you find yourself in a special kind of hell. With no real portable business, you are absolutely trapped in the firm you are in. And equity partners are particularly sadistic with the junior partners under them. No firm will even look at you without a big book (hundred's of thousands of portable business), and you absolutely cannot go on your own if you have grown into the lifestyle your income affords you. The most miserable lawyers I know, bar none, are the 40 year olds who did everything right, made every cut, and find themselves absolutely terrified every day because as non-equity partners they are both vulnerable to the whimsy of their superiors and unable to fashion any escape.
Don't buy the hype - the entire traditional law firm system pays out way at the end, when you are old and beat-up, and only then if you are lucky enough and sacrifice enough to get there.
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dwismos (Jul 24 - 2:27 am)
Hmm. Man, it sucks having to tell everybody that I'm not going now, but whatevs on that one. Law schools have priced me out of pursuing something I've wanted to do for a long time, but I'm better off walking away. That mountain of debt and the current level of industry uncertainty are enough to send me in the other direction at this point. If the economy turns around, I can apply later, armed with more information and a better understanding of how the admissions process works. I'll probably take the LSAT this fall, and if I pull a higher score, a full ride is possible. Anything short of something like that doesn't make sense. After all, one would still need to cover cost of living.
I think 70-80K in student loans is the absolute ceiling for any responsible borrower. Pretty much any amount more than that is just unmanageable.
I am 90% sure i'm not attending now. It would take a lot to change my mind at this point. How can anyone have any fun attending if they know they're piling up debt in pursuit of something that could very well not materialize?
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Hmm. Man, it sucks having to tell everybody that I'm not going now, but whatevs on that one. Law schools have priced me out of pursuing something I've wanted to do for a long time, but I'm better off walking away. That mountain of debt and the current level of industry uncertainty are enough to send me in the other direction at this point. If the economy turns around, I can apply later, armed with more information and a better understanding of how the admissions process works. I'll probably take the LSAT this fall, and if I pull a higher score, a full ride is possible. Anything short of something like that doesn't make sense. After all, one would still need to cover cost of living.
I think 70-80K in student loans is the absolute ceiling for any responsible borrower. Pretty much any amount more than that is just unmanageable.
I am 90% sure i'm not attending now. It would take a lot to change my mind at this point. How can anyone have any fun attending if they know they're piling up debt in pursuit of something that could very well not materialize?
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steaksandwich (Jul 24 - 3:08 am)
Exactly, that's how I felt. And I had to tell the dozens of people I told earlier that I'm no longer going to law school. The almost universal reaction? Wise choice. Everyone with half a brain knows that below the top, it's not worth it. I even had the possibility of no debt (well, if I stayed in 1/3, which is far from guaranteed) but I'm still not going to do it.
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Exactly, that's how I felt. And I had to tell the dozens of people I told earlier that I'm no longer going to law school. The almost universal reaction? Wise choice. Everyone with half a brain knows that below the top, it's not worth it. I even had the possibility of no debt (well, if I stayed in 1/3, which is far from guaranteed) but I'm still not going to do it.
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dwismos (Jul 24 - 3:23 am)
What's funny is that outside of the top 14, you're looking at a major crap shoot, and the guys who succeed among that group probably have the business savvy to succeed in some other endeavor.
It's annoying to have to close the door, but I know it's the right choice.
These schools should be sued for the misleading stats they publish in order to hornswoggle incredibly motivated people into attending at outrageous prices.
When I think about the number of driven, intelligent people who work hard to score over a 160 on the LSAT while gathering letters of reco, etc, in order to gain admission to a top 50 school, I am just sad for them. US News should make it clear through their rankings that the true first tier stops at Cornell/Georgetown, and then the second tier probably ends at Notre Dame.
It seems like a sick joke. People from modest beginnings are tricked by employment stats and made to feel lucky to get into these schools that knowingly fool them. They buy the Powerscore books, some of them fork over the dough for Kaplan courses, and then they spend a few hundred bucks on apps. After three arduous years of real effort and commitment, it becomes all too apparent that they've been taken in some sick, elaborate confidence game. It is unbelievable but true, and it would be hilarious if it weren't for the fact that we're talking about tens of thousands of people with broken dreams and unforgiving student loan debt.
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What's funny is that outside of the top 14, you're looking at a major crap shoot, and the guys who succeed among that group probably have the business savvy to succeed in some other endeavor.
It's annoying to have to close the door, but I know it's the right choice.
These schools should be sued for the misleading stats they publish in order to hornswoggle incredibly motivated people into attending at outrageous prices.
When I think about the number of driven, intelligent people who work hard to score over a 160 on the LSAT while gathering letters of reco, etc, in order to gain admission to a top 50 school, I am just sad for them. US News should make it clear through their rankings that the true first tier stops at Cornell/Georgetown, and then the second tier probably ends at Notre Dame.
It seems like a sick joke. People from modest beginnings are tricked by employment stats and made to feel lucky to get into these schools that knowingly fool them. They buy the Powerscore books, some of them fork over the dough for Kaplan courses, and then they spend a few hundred bucks on apps. After three arduous years of real effort and commitment, it becomes all too apparent that they've been taken in some sick, elaborate confidence game. It is unbelievable but true, and it would be hilarious if it weren't for the fact that we're talking about tens of thousands of people with broken dreams and unforgiving student loan debt.
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pharmstudent (Jul 24 - 12:12 pm)
You've made the rational decision, you are smarter than a lot of people out there. Be proud, you just walked away from the biggest mistake in your life.
So the question is, what to do now.
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You've made the rational decision, you are smarter than a lot of people out there. Be proud, you just walked away from the biggest mistake in your life.
So the question is, what to do now.
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dwismos (Jul 24 - 3:01 pm)
Drift from job to job until I find something decent. Isn't that the best way?
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Drift from job to job until I find something decent. Isn't that the best way?
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EmmanuelGoldstein (Jul 24 - 4:10 am)
I AM ONE OF THE HARDCORE SCAMBUSTERS HERE, BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF GRADS FROM TIERS 3 AND 4 WHO MAKE IT. THEY HAVE SOME COMMON CHARACTERISTICS--
1) THEY HAVE FAMILY WHO HAVE OR MAKE SOME GOOD MONEY. A HUGE NUMBER OF LAW SCHOOL APPLICANTS WHO GET INTO LOWER RANKED SCHOOLS ARE FROM MONEY, OR HAVE A SPOUSE WHO MAKES GOOD MONEY. LONG STRETCHES OF UNEMPLOYMENT ARE NOT A BIG DEAL FOR THESE PEOPLE.
2) OR IF THEY COME FROM RURAL OR LESS POPULATED AREAS AWAY FROM THE LARGER CITIES AND THEY GO BACK THERE AFTER GRADUATION. THEY HAVE A SOCIAL NETWORK THERE. THEY TYPICALLY GET ON WITH THE DISTRICT ATTY OR CITY ATTY. THEY GET TRAINING THIS WAY. IF THEY CANNOT GET ON WITH THE DA ETC, THEY LIVE WITH THEIR PARENTS, WHO TYPICALLY HAVE A FARM/RANCH ETC.
3) OR, THEY ARE HISPANIC FROM A HEAVILY HISPANIC AREA. THESE ALMOST ALL DO WELL.
4) VERY SOCIAL PEOPLE WITH LARGE SOCIAL NETWORKS. A LARGE SOCIAL NETWORK IS MONEY IN THE BANK FOR A LAWYER.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT IF YOU GO TO A LOWER RANKED SCHOOL OR EVEN A HIGHER SCHOOL AND HAVE POOR GRADES, AND IF YOU DO NOT FIT INTO ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES, YOU ARE MOST LIKELY IN TROUBLE AS A RECENT GRAD.
A LOWER RANKED LAW SCHOOL IS A RISKY GAMBLE IF YOU DO NOT FIT INTO ONE OF THE CATEGORIES.
WHAT IS MOST RISKY IS BEING AN OLDER LAW SCHOOL STUDENT IN THE BIG CITY WITHOUT A MONIED FAMILY OR HIGH EARNING SPOUSE AND WITHOUT A LARGE SOCIAL NETWORK. I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE LIKE THIS, MYSELF INCLUDED, AND ALL OF US DEEPLY REGRET LAW SCHOOL.
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I AM ONE OF THE HARDCORE SCAMBUSTERS HERE, BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF GRADS FROM TIERS 3 AND 4 WHO MAKE IT. THEY HAVE SOME COMMON CHARACTERISTICS--
1) THEY HAVE FAMILY WHO HAVE OR MAKE SOME GOOD MONEY. A HUGE NUMBER OF LAW SCHOOL APPLICANTS WHO GET INTO LOWER RANKED SCHOOLS ARE FROM MONEY, OR HAVE A SPOUSE WHO MAKES GOOD MONEY. LONG STRETCHES OF UNEMPLOYMENT ARE NOT A BIG DEAL FOR THESE PEOPLE.
2) OR IF THEY COME FROM RURAL OR LESS POPULATED AREAS AWAY FROM THE LARGER CITIES AND THEY GO BACK THERE AFTER GRADUATION. THEY HAVE A SOCIAL NETWORK THERE. THEY TYPICALLY GET ON WITH THE DISTRICT ATTY OR CITY ATTY. THEY GET TRAINING THIS WAY. IF THEY CANNOT GET ON WITH THE DA ETC, THEY LIVE WITH THEIR PARENTS, WHO TYPICALLY HAVE A FARM/RANCH ETC.
3) OR, THEY ARE HISPANIC FROM A HEAVILY HISPANIC AREA. THESE ALMOST ALL DO WELL.
4) VERY SOCIAL PEOPLE WITH LARGE SOCIAL NETWORKS. A LARGE SOCIAL NETWORK IS MONEY IN THE BANK FOR A LAWYER.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT IF YOU GO TO A LOWER RANKED SCHOOL OR EVEN A HIGHER SCHOOL AND HAVE POOR GRADES, AND IF YOU DO NOT FIT INTO ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES, YOU ARE MOST LIKELY IN TROUBLE AS A RECENT GRAD.
A LOWER RANKED LAW SCHOOL IS A RISKY GAMBLE IF YOU DO NOT FIT INTO ONE OF THE CATEGORIES.
WHAT IS MOST RISKY IS BEING AN OLDER LAW SCHOOL STUDENT IN THE BIG CITY WITHOUT A MONIED FAMILY OR HIGH EARNING SPOUSE AND WITHOUT A LARGE SOCIAL NETWORK. I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE LIKE THIS, MYSELF INCLUDED, AND ALL OF US DEEPLY REGRET LAW SCHOOL.
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Josephine (Jul 24 - 5:38 am)
Why undermine your message by writing in all caps? That's just annoying.
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Why undermine your message by writing in all caps? That's just annoying.
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AJRESQ (Jul 24 - 12:18 pm)
In all fairness, I had none of those things except 2 and 4. I went to law school in the area I grew up. Genius, because people who know me became my clients.
I don't understand why people go far away for law. Outside HYS it doesn't make sense to me. Go to law school where your client base is IMO. Follow the cash flow.
If you're not social in a service based profession... yeah, that's a problem. You most likely have to shack up with someone that is.
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In all fairness, I had none of those things except 2 and 4. I went to law school in the area I grew up. Genius, because people who know me became my clients.
I don't understand why people go far away for law. Outside HYS it doesn't make sense to me. Go to law school where your client base is IMO. Follow the cash flow.
If you're not social in a service based profession... yeah, that's a problem. You most likely have to shack up with someone that is.
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TTTsuicide (Jul 24 - 12:45 pm)
1/3 stipulation on a scholarship is murder. they will put you all in the same section and you will most certainly lose it. take an entry level sales job. when I left for ls, I had an entry level sales job and was close to a promotion. All the guys I worked with are comfortably mid level execs and management with families and houses. I've got my shiny top 50 law degree in a nice big frame and it's stashed under my bed in my "bedroom" in my mother's house in the box that it came in.
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1/3 stipulation on a scholarship is murder. they will put you all in the same section and you will most certainly lose it. take an entry level sales job. when I left for ls, I had an entry level sales job and was close to a promotion. All the guys I worked with are comfortably mid level execs and management with families and houses. I've got my shiny top 50 law degree in a nice big frame and it's stashed under my bed in my "bedroom" in my mother's house in the box that it came in.
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AJRESQ (Jul 24 - 12:47 pm)
Eh, I prefer law. I get to use both my sales abilities and my intellectual abilities.
Plus (yeah, I know, it sounds cheesy) I like being able to help people. That's all I'm trying to do -- help people and do a good job for them, enjoy what I do, and provide enough money for my family to live decently.
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Eh, I prefer law. I get to use both my sales abilities and my intellectual abilities.
Plus (yeah, I know, it sounds cheesy) I like being able to help people. That's all I'm trying to do -- help people and do a good job for them, enjoy what I do, and provide enough money for my family to live decently.
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AJRESQ (Jul 24 - 4:14 pm)
I have a random question for you...
Law and sales are similar. Both require persuasion. In sales, you're persuading someone to purchase your services. In law, you're persuading a jury to see the facts your way, or a judge to understand the law as you do. Both require persuasion.
If you're so adverse to sales, why did you choose law as a profession? If you can't persuade a client to purchase your services, what makes you think you can persuade a jury to see a set of facts your way?
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I have a random question for you...
Law and sales are similar. Both require persuasion. In sales, you're persuading someone to purchase your services. In law, you're persuading a jury to see the facts your way, or a judge to understand the law as you do. Both require persuasion.
If you're so adverse to sales, why did you choose law as a profession? If you can't persuade a client to purchase your services, what makes you think you can persuade a jury to see a set of facts your way?
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TTTsuicide (Jul 24 - 1:46 pm)
The vast majority of us have no concern of helping others because we cant even help ourseleves. Shit, I'd like to help people too but it's rough when fine dining to me is a dollar mcdouble.
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The vast majority of us have no concern of helping others because we cant even help ourseleves. Shit, I'd like to help people too but it's rough when fine dining to me is a dollar mcdouble.
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steaksandwich (Jul 24 - 1:45 pm)
For reason #1, let's assume you're a trust fund baby or have a rich spouse. Why would you want to waste 3 years of your life in a stressful, competitive environment for a useless degree? 3 years of partying would probably be more useful - networking - and healthy.
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For reason #1, let's assume you're a trust fund baby or have a rich spouse. Why would you want to waste 3 years of your life in a stressful, competitive environment for a useless degree? 3 years of partying would probably be more useful - networking - and healthy.
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brasky (Jul 30 - 1:55 am)
Oh my lord is it refreshing to see people not choosing law school. This is the proper decision for almost everyone! Congratulations.
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Oh my lord is it refreshing to see people not choosing law school. This is the proper decision for almost everyone! Congratulations.
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dwismos (Jul 30 - 2:16 am)
Well, it's been a tough decision to make. I have to tell all of my friends, family, and recommenders that I'm not going after all. Some of those I've already told don't understand. "But you've been preparing for months for this." "You would be in the top 10% for sure, so what are you worried about?" "Well, what are you going to do otherwise?" You know, that kind of thing. I've been second guessing the decision, but with new law schools opening up and a surplus of lawyers flooding the market (even in good economic times this is a problem), I know that it's the right call.
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Well, it's been a tough decision to make. I have to tell all of my friends, family, and recommenders that I'm not going after all. Some of those I've already told don't understand. "But you've been preparing for months for this." "You would be in the top 10% for sure, so what are you worried about?" "Well, what are you going to do otherwise?" You know, that kind of thing. I've been second guessing the decision, but with new law schools opening up and a surplus of lawyers flooding the market (even in good economic times this is a problem), I know that it's the right call.
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LexCorde (Jul 30 - 8:51 am)
There is a serious flaw in your logic, gang. I think you are assuming the old adage that there is strength in numbers doesnt make sense any more. But it does make sense as there are thousands of lawyers out there. You see that as a negative because you're in competition mode where its a race to the top to see who can trump who in biglaw salary. But I see it as a positive with more friends to network with, more colleagues to be cooperative with, and more opportunities for new lawyers. Networking is key because you have to go talk to people. You are not going to be successful sitting in your parent's home looking at porn. You got to talk, mingle, and network. If you're lucky you'll fall in love with a girl who has serious connections or you can go out and meet some yourself. Call me and we can network together. No, we are a network together.
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Post a message in this threadThere is a serious flaw in your logic, gang. I think you are assuming the old adage that there is strength in numbers doesnt make sense any more. But it does make sense as there are thousands of lawyers out there. You see that as a negative because you're in competition mode where its a race to the top to see who can trump who in biglaw salary. But I see it as a positive with more friends to network with, more colleagues to be cooperative with, and more opportunities for new lawyers. Networking is key because you have to go talk to people. You are not going to be successful sitting in your parent's home looking at porn. You got to talk, mingle, and network. If you're lucky you'll fall in love with a girl who has serious connections or you can go out and meet some yourself. Call me and we can network together. No, we are a network together.
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